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I am a graduate student at Oxford and I can't tell you how many professors I've noticed having Aspie traits. I can easily say that 1 out of 2 have typical aspie personalities. Some stammer and avoid eye contact, some look up the entire time during their lectures, some have very strict schedules and narrow interests, others have echolalia and keep repeating their words, etc. Many of them are eccentrics and it is a good thing that they are accepted by the university community (we are all a bit eccentric here). I bet when they go to London or other cities and deal with regular people, some folks may think that these intellectuals are schizophrenic or at best, odd. A good number of them are very well known in their fields but seem to have very limited social interaction skills. It took my supervisor two months to be able to look me in the eye when we had meetings to discuss my work!
I am firmly convinced that in order to be an intellectual or some sort of innovator, people need to have at least some Aspie traits. It is very hard for an NT who goes by what society dictates to be a great intellectual and/or innovator/artist.
I am firmly convinced that in order to be an intellectual or some sort of innovator, people need to have at least some Aspie traits. It is very hard for an NT who goes by what society dictates to be a great intellectual and/or innovator/artist.
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Re: Are most professors/intellectuals aspies?
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 5:54 PMYou're at Oxford. I'm at Chico State. I would just like to state for the record that not all professors are aspies, nor intellectuals. That said, you probably are seeing a higher concentration of people on the higher functioning end of the spectrum simply by virtue of location. Birds of a feather and all that.
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Re: Are most professors/intellectuals aspies?
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:31 PMI think that depends on what your university values. For innovation and straight out expertise, you might be right.
However, for PR, grants, teaching excellence, administration, etc, I don't think aspies are the best suited. Doesn't mean we can't do the job. An aspie who gets a bug up his whatever can learn to do pretty much anything at expert level. But as a general rule, the partying and schmoozing is better left to NT's, I think. -
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Re: Are most professors/intellectuals aspies?
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:47 PMI disagree that Aspie professors can't get grants easily and schmooze. If a professor's obsession is, say, his discipline of history, he will be glad to socialize with other like minded people. I know profs here who rarely go out of their houses, but when it comes to a departmental gathering or party, they will be there big time.......and this is only because they can go on and on about their obsessions with like minded people. in every conference or departmental party attended by an Aspie prof., there is bound to be at least one other person who is interested in exactly the same topic the professor is obsessed with. Plus, it is a prime spot for finding other Aspies since they have a tendency to flock into academia anyway.
It is interesting to see some of these Aspie profs when they are in nonacademic situations. Many of them function like kids when they are not absorbed in their chosen obsessions. I once had a history prof who took us to Rome for a month and would disappear on us after his two hour daily lecture. He was in his room for most of the day or out sightseeing on his own. The entire class had dinner with him only once and he barely said anything at all during the dinner because the students were gossiping and making small talk which he could not do. -
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Re: Are most professors/intellectuals aspies?
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 8:47 PMI don't know where I am on the schmooze debate but I have been thinking alot lately about the unique combination of "wise for their years/old soul" and "forever young" I am really beginning to associate with Aspies.
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Re: Are most professors/intellectuals aspies?
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 11:15 PMI didn't say they "couldn't". I rather said the opposite in fact. But what I did say was that as a general rule aspies don't make great politicians or diplomats, even though an aspie who gets the motivation can become expert at pretty much anything. -
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Re: Are most professors/intellectuals aspies?
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 9:46 AMoh yes I agree with that.
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Re: Are most professors/intellectuals aspies?
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 11:44 PMPerhpas I should have worked harder when I was an undergraduate then, but I was not really that interested in what I was studying. My professors did not seem very aspie-liker, they were the more worldly middle-class sort of academic with plenty of irony for the most part and probably had a good snigger at my eccentricities.
But it sounds great. Your research, your ouevre as an artist appreciated on their own merits, rather than your ability to sycophantically be nice to people and 'network?'
I'm trying to get real-life, as opposed to virtual galleries interested in my artwork and hope I didn't blow it last night. The gallery owner told me to 'just go and socialise, maybe she thought I was just hanging round like a lemon. -
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Re: Are most professors/intellectuals aspies?
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 11:53 PMI suppose that sounds a litle chippy. I don't mean it too. And the social exclusivity of this kind of world with its 'who you know' is something I have heard many other of the great Unrecognised cxomplain about, whatever their neurology happens to be. -
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Re: Are most professors/intellectuals aspies?
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 1:59 PMThat's part of the reason why I'm at least currently not focused on the notion of getting my art into any galleries... Alongside the fact that I can't afford to print any of it. Though at least for now I'm also focusing strategically on a particular style of art, comic strips, which while they may not draw in larger pricetags like traditional art, offer me imo anyway better opportunity for branded marketing. And also hoping that the emphasis on tangible concepts that people can relate to and on humor will produce a stronger draw. I could be wrong, but my impression is that abstract art is a harder sell simply because the people looking at it don't have anything specific to compare it to in their minds. Given that, my guess is that the trick with abstract is really just to produce as many pieces as you can and as fast as you can and to get as many eyeballs on them as possible, with no real consideration of who specifically is looking at them. As compared to something like comic strips where targetted marketing actually becomes viable -- like in my case, I put Gary Larson's name on a couple pages on my site because I want to attract Far Side fans as part of my demographics.
In my case, someone who sees the Usual Suspects cartoon for example has an immediate spark of recognition of the stereotype of the gray-boddied aliens, which goes a long way toward its being now my most popular piece on Deviant Art. It's probably very much akin to the fact that people who drink Coca-Cola literally taste something different when they know they're drinking coke because of the brand recognition and nostalgic feelings influencing the pleasure response, whereas if you give them a blind taste test, the same people prefer Pepsi. An abstract piece might be "artistically superior" to the comic strip (more visually appealing than my illustration), but less popular simply because it doesn't produce pattern recognition in the viewer. The downside like I mentioned before is that comic strips are already entrenched in a very different cultural niche with a much lower monetary valuation on them, so where an abstract piece might be able to make me more money but take longer to sell, my strips are likely to sell faster but won't earn me as much return per sale.
I'm probably way off topic here... :) I've been obsessing about my own art-marketing efforts recently, so that's where I'm at. :) This past week I spent several hours improving the SEO on woohooligan.com among other things. -
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Fri, May 16, 2008 - 2:37 PM<<I'm probably way off topic here... :) I've been obsessing about my own art-marketing efforts recently, so that's where I'm at. :) This past week I spent several hours improving the SEO on woohooligan.com among other things.>>
I totally know how that goes.
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Re: Are most professors/intellectuals aspies?
Wed, August 27, 2008 - 9:37 AMWell, most of my professors and my master and PhD student friends seem pretty "normal" to me. They do tend to be more accepting of strange academic tendencies then previous places of education (although some profs have ignored my notes from the Students with Disabilities Center about certain things I need to function- like not working in groups and my laptop). I worry about this because I plan to eventually become a professor myself and I'm not sure how willing universities are to hire Aspie Profs. Maybe I should move to England and work at Oxford. :)
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Re: Are most professors/intellectuals aspies?
Thu, August 28, 2008 - 1:37 PMVery few law professors are aspies. Probably next to none.
Some may be slightly eccentric, which is okay for a professor to be. But aspie, no, at least not law professors.
A few out of many unversity undergraduate professors may have had some aspie traits, but none were full blown aspie.
A larger number certainly fell under some DSM-IV diagnosis, but the field is too competitive for full blown aspies to make it. They can't get past the hiring committee.
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Re: Are most professors/intellectuals aspies?
Sat, January 31, 2009 - 7:26 PMI don't think most profs are Aspie.
There are a lot of profs with Aspie traits, but more who don't have Aspie traits.
The likelihood of having Aspie traits among profs also varies among the different academic areas.
I would say there are more Aspies / profs with Aspie traits among the sciences, engineering, computer 'science', and math while there are few among profs in the professional school, commerce departments, and arts.
