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topic posted Wed, January 21, 2009 - 6:29 PM by  Sunshine
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I just wanted to stop in and take a moment of thanks for this group. At first I didn't like the labels and thought the word autistic horribly ugly and fearful. I still do, but it doesn't matter anymore because now I can see the people behind the words. Perhaps more accurately, I can see the people inside their words, and by their words. There's more than one person in here that writes like their brain is going to explode sometimes. I now recognize that as a likeness, a sameness unto me. Now, obviously not all the neurally diverse live in their words like I do, but it does my heart no end of good to periodically see somebody else get lost in the rushing madness of flowing words and spiralling thoughts. I always thought I was just crazy. Now I see other people who probably look just as crazy and it makes me feel strangely good because I know what it feels like, I know where their head state is, I know the dance. And I'm so glad I'm not the only one.

On a side note, when I first found this place, I remember reading something derisive about how aspies couldn't even get along with each other, and sure, it can be difficult sometimes, but not really. Not compared to everyone else. I really feel like I've found my own kind. And no one else is nearly as interesting. What a boring life most people must lead!
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  • Re: thanks

    Thu, January 22, 2009 - 3:31 AM



    OH, dear, dear Sunny, you have no idea how boring it is. At times the lives of others is
    so incredibly boring I fear I shall die of bordom if it were not for my fascination with all
    that is going on in my own head. When I peek into the heads of other, the darkness is
    deafening oft times.


    *Sunshine wrote: recognize that as a likeness, a sameness unto me.

    what are you,? related to Shakespeare, ? you write funny, I like that. "will you be my friend"
    lol. ;)
    yes, the aspies are the most fascinating of people and the season in the recipe of life.

    they are the nuts on the world's Banana split sunday.

    Randy
  • Re: thanks

    Thu, January 22, 2009 - 12:42 PM
    I'm pretty thankful for this group too. I never thought the words were ugly but there is something amazing about not being the only one. Even Tigger eventually wanted to find other Tiggers.

    do aspies have trouble getting alone? I have definitely seen a few locked in compulsive battle gone terribly wrong. But for the most part it seems to me that we deal better than others with some of our idiosyncrasies.
    • Re: thanks

      Thu, January 22, 2009 - 12:54 PM
      Where in Winnie the Pooh does it say that Tigger wanted to find other Tiggers? I've owned both books for over 50 yaers and I don't know that chapter.
      • Re: thanks

        Thu, January 22, 2009 - 12:55 PM
        the phrase I am having trouble with is "so&so Has Autism" like it is a disease that can be cured.
        • Re: thanks

          Thu, January 22, 2009 - 2:49 PM
          Yeah, that's a rough one. I like the way Chris just comes right out and says "I'm autistic." I still cringe trying to get those words out of my mouth, but I found that I can say things like "Autism runs in my family" and sort of let the implications speak for themselves within the context of the conversation. I did this just the other day when I was talking about some weird processing trait I'd noticed and the folks I was talking to sort of gave me the queer eye, realized I was including myself, and then sort of accepted it with a bit of mild surprise, because I "don't seem autistic". Good, it means all those years of learning to pass worked. But no one argues it anymore. It's easy enough to see if you look in the right places.
          • Re: thanks

            Thu, January 22, 2009 - 3:01 PM
            Joel yells at me and says to "stop putting myself down" by saying I am autistic. Because he has experience of one extremely low-function person he thinks thats what autism is all about, even though he understands the term "spectrum"
            How can I be putting myself down when I know I'm not "sick or "wrong". I'm Different, that is all.
            • Re: thanks

              Thu, January 22, 2009 - 3:33 PM
              Oh My God. Don't EVEN get me started. Tell that dumbass that autism and retardation are not one and the same. What he (and everyone else) is used to seeing/thinking of is when the two are combined. That's the very definition of High Functioning Autism, I'm pretty sure - autism that comes WITHOUT mental retardation.
            • Re: thanks

              Fri, January 23, 2009 - 8:44 AM
              Yes, we must all remember that autistics live on a speculum.
              • Re: thanks

                Fri, January 23, 2009 - 11:17 AM
                I keep seeing headlines about an epidemic of autism. Don't they realise that there is No epidemic, just more comprehensive testing of more children. We were always like this. THEY only just started Noticing.

                And get that thing away from me, its cold.
                • Re: thanks

                  Sat, January 24, 2009 - 11:47 AM
                  Oh, noes! It's an epidemic of black people!

                  An epidemic of gender? And epidemic of race? An epidemic of neurotype?

                  Hm. Clearly we have some work to do.
                • Re: thanks

                  Sat, January 24, 2009 - 11:48 AM
                  Ps, there's an analogy here with childhood abuse and multiplicity from the 90's. The number of cases exploded which is part of the reasoning behind all of the internet "predation" crap.

                  Truth is, professionals just started looking for that stuff and actually naming it when they saw it. (And often even when they didn't.) Which led to an apparent discontinuity in the stats.
          • Re: thanks

            Fri, January 23, 2009 - 8:29 AM
            Usually I just get blank stares. Sometimes I get surprised looks or incredulity. Occasionally I get arguments.

            I told my (new) boss, in confidence a couple months ago. I think it was a mistake this time. I won't be doing it again soon, but I probably will do it again. I think I may finally need an actual diagnosis in order to tell HR in order to have legal pressure ready for future poor reactions.
      • Re: thanks

        Thu, January 22, 2009 - 3:52 PM
        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tigger_Movie

        a modern addition of course. It was actually a very beautiful message to the movie.
        • Re: thanks

          Thu, January 22, 2009 - 4:07 PM
          Oh. Disney. Thief & perverter of literature. Thats not the Real Tigger
          • Re: thanks

            Thu, January 22, 2009 - 4:23 PM
            ok

            I happen to have found a bit of an analogy for myself in the perverted tigger. I can understand a disdain for disney though.
            • Re: thanks

              Thu, January 22, 2009 - 4:40 PM
              Dude, that movie summary was depressing. So, basically, all his friends lied to him for the entire movie to make him feel better. And then at the end he has to be happy with what he's got cause he's shit outta luck and just better be happy that he found a crew that tolerates his alien ass. Nice.
              • Re: thanks

                Thu, January 22, 2009 - 4:47 PM
                lying seems to always be the lame solution to stuff for simple characters.

                But I thought it was beautiful how even a character who prides themselves on being unique could find that they felt alone and search for a "family" ...only to find that they had one all along full of other characters who are just as whacky.
                • Re: thanks

                  Thu, January 22, 2009 - 4:57 PM
                  I can see your point. I've had a "street family" of that sort since the late eighties. It was a big deal then. Now finding people who are actually like me is a fairly rewarding novelty. Mostly. Except that we seem to be a pretty argumentative bunch...
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                    Re: thanks

                    Thu, January 22, 2009 - 5:33 PM
                    (o:


                    I always felt like we make our real families. Some people are born into good ones, but most of us have to learn who we want in ours.
  • Re: thanks

    Fri, January 23, 2009 - 8:36 AM
    Just for the record...

    I believe that we're in the early stages of a mass "outing" process wherein people are just beginning to discover that they are autistic. My estimate is that about 7% of the US population is autistic. That's comparable to the number of black people in the US and comparable to the number of gays in the US.

    With those kinds of numbers, there's no reason that we should be thought of as freaks or weirdos any more than being black or gay makes one a freak or weirdo. However, we have a lot of work to do educating both the general public as well as the rest of the people who are autistic and just don't realize it yet.

    My politics have always been grass roots and interpersonal and this is now one of my life time soap boxes. Expect to hear more from me on this and how to approach it.

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