The triad of advantages

topic posted Tue, May 31, 2005 - 3:37 PM by  Moonmom
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Figure 1: Discovery criteria for aspie by Attwood and Gray

A qualitative advantage in social interaction, as manifested by a majority of the following:

peer relationships characterized by absolute loyalty and impeccable dependability

free of sexist, "age-ist", or culturalist biases; ability to regard others at "face value"

speaking one’s mind irrespective of social context or adherence to personal beliefs

ability to pursue personal theory or perspective despite conflicting evidence

seeking an audience or friends capable of: enthusiasm for unique interests and topics;

consideration of details; spending time discussing a topic that may not be of primary interest

listening without continual judgement or assumption

interested primarily in significant contributions to conversation; preferring to avoid

"ritualistic small talk" or socially trivial statements and superficial conversation

seeking sincere, positive, genuine friends with an unassuming sense of humor

Fluent in "Aspergerese", a social language characterized by at least three of the following:

a determination to seek the truth

conversation free of hidden meaning or agenda

advanced vocabulary and interest in words

fascination with word-based humor, such as puns

advanced use of pictorial metaphor

Cognitive skills characterized by at least four of the following:

strong preference for detail over gestalt

original, often unique perspective in problem solving

exceptional memory and/or recall of details often forgotten or disregarded by others, for

example: names, dates, schedules, routines

avid perseverance in gathering and cataloging information on a topic of interest

persistence of thought

encyclopedic or "CD ROM" knowledge of one or more topics

knowledge of routines and a focused desire to maintain order and accuracy

clarity of values/decision making unaltered by political or financial factors

Additional possible features:

acute sensitivity to specific sensory experiences and stimuli, for example:

hearing, touch, vision, and/or smell

strength in individual sports and games, particularly those involving

endurance or visual accuracy, including rowing, swimming, bowling, chess

"social unsung hero" with trusting optimism: frequent victim of social

weaknesses of others, while steadfast in the belief of the possibility of genuine

friendship

increased probability over general population of attending university after high school

(5) often take care of others outside the range of typical development
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Moonmom
SF Bay Area
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  • Re: The triad of advantages

    Tue, May 31, 2005 - 4:20 PM
    Hmmmm...this appears to be a much deeper diagnostic criteria than I have seen. It seems based on typical AS advantages, instead of merely a syndrom classification.

    You know, if these qualities were not applied in this case, strictly to AS, in many ways, they could be some sort of Utopian manifesto for better living standards.

    Mountain Biking and Hiking get my vote for individual sports, although the team sport of frisbee with my dog is a joy, too.

    The part about advanced use of pictoral metaphor, reminds me of something I heard Bob Weir saying in an interview about, "Elephant thunderstorms marching in on lightning legs"....it's always been my favorite weather-related quote.

    Thanks for sharing this info....great stuff I had never seen before.

  • Re: The triad of advantages

    Fri, July 29, 2005 - 5:08 AM
    Thank you for this.
    Finding out i'm an aspie has taken most of the pain of shame out of my existence. Reading this almost makes me proud.

    Got to admit to having trouble "listening without continual judgement or assumption" ,though i've made great progress in this and am getting there.

    Reading this strenghthens my strengths.

    The opening, "qualitative advantage in social interaction," has such spin i can't catch it. I hope it becomes a social advantage, but sure haven't found social advantage in it mycellf. I do think we benefit society as a whole.
    • Re: The triad of advantages

      Wed, August 10, 2005 - 9:39 AM
      That one is basic to relationships with other aspies. They alone appreciate the open bluntness of direct communication, and are able to say when it irritates them. Since all my friends are aspie-esque, it works for us. People either love it, or hate it. I keep the ones who like it, and seem to scare the rest.
      • Re: The triad of advantages

        Sun, August 14, 2005 - 12:22 AM
        I might have been fortunate, but even old brains (I prefer the term "new brains" to "aspies" since it seems to me to be evolutionary progress in process rather than a disorder) don't seem to mind, let alone hate it... or maybe that's another nugget of naiveté on my part.

        Before learning the lovely labels, I thought this was just how people should strive to be, how it comes out when one is intelligent and genuine...
    • Re: The triad of advantages

      Sun, August 14, 2005 - 12:34 AM
      Definitely an advantage... although some of the social stuff seems hit-or-miss for some, perhaps that's about which part of the "spectrum" one is on. Either way, I think it is something to be proud of, human evolution in evidence.

      I understand the pain part of living among the old brains, but wonder, why shame? I hope you're over that part of it, if not now, then soon.
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    Re: The triad of advantages

    Sun, November 6, 2005 - 12:34 PM
    I read the Attwood book. I did not fail to notice that he picked up on two things straight away that I hate, balloons and loud dogs. The whole Aspie thing resurfaced for me in the mid 90s when I saw what had been been said in my medical notes and after malicious comments were made by a an ex relative of mine. Then I felt great shame, it all really hurt. I was afraid I was unemployable, a complete waste.

    Mow it matters a whole lot less this whole biz of being an aspie or not, as at least I know I am not unemployable at all. Now it is just a question of returning to old questions, but that's the way it goes.

    Interestingly enough Mario Puzo writes about aspies in one of his books. All his gangster novels are as far removed from aspies as you can get ('I am not what I am'. Unquote the social Machiavellian Iago from Shsakespeare), but in one book he writes about an autistic girl and satirises a nerdy writer figure whom I wonder is not Mr Puzo himself.....
    • Re: The triad of advantages

      Sat, August 12, 2006 - 5:15 PM
      wow, thanks, thats a great summary i think of the advantages...

      i am a strong proponent of the idea that these differences only show up as weaknesses until their strengths are made manifest through self mastery or skill.
  • Re: The triad of advantages

    Mon, August 14, 2006 - 6:15 PM
    Wow. That's really well done.
    • Re: The triad of advantages

      Wed, March 14, 2007 - 8:31 PM
      Thanks moonmom. Those advantages do make me feel prouder- I guess that San Diego is too boring for an aspie like me I still feel a certain amount of coldness inside left over from when people took my awkwardness for weakness.

      Eh its enough to be proud of though- The positive traits- It's like the saying goes "Fuck em if they can't take a joke" and that's my attitude towards selfrighteous people who think that whatever veers outside of the interactions seen on MTV is literally insane.

      As for the Puzo- Heard of him and maybe read bits and pieces here and there. The name sounds totally familiar. Dean Koontz though- He has his critics but in almost all of his books autistics/aspergers are the heros. In some of them its the autistics who can save the day because they're the ones who can see other dimensions. So that's some fun fiction that might be worth a read if you like Koontz's style and want some bitchin aspie-character memes.

      Peace,
      -Mike
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        Re: The triad of advantages

        Thu, March 15, 2007 - 2:38 AM
        Puzo - as in The Godfather.
        In one of his gangster books, there is a truly autistic character, the young daughter of a Hollywood star who goes out with a young gangster who does not really like being a gangster.
        • Re: The triad of advantages

          Thu, March 15, 2007 - 2:42 PM
          OOOOHHHH THAT Puzo!! You must be kidding!! That's supercool. In "Scent of A Woman" Pacino could've been an aspie.

          Now I can tell why my grandfather was a salesman that would've brought a jew like Bugsy Siegel down to his knees kissing his ring (not a slanderous remark in the least- quite the opposite cuz you see my dad's family is jewish). Not to mention my dads and my attitude, since my dads side of the family has the aspergers traits.

          Also I now realize why "the sopranos" is one of the shows I enjoy watching the most and why AJ is one of the fictional television characters that - outside of the over-the-top mob elements (my grandpa had a family-owned small sales business and my dads in the symphony) - I could identify with. I think that's not so much an aspie thing but the creators did real good at tailoring the characters so anyone could bring some elements to identify with. Even musically and as far as the costumes and hairdressing there are still things for people to go "hey that reminds of of that one time...."

          Thanks Lynda, I'll look that shit up...
          Peace,
          -Mike
          • Re: The triad of advantages

            Thu, March 15, 2007 - 2:45 PM
            Oh and you forgot another thing moonmom- Aspies are pimps in bed... just as much if not moreso than aquariuses. (YES!!! Two awesome points in my favor!!!)

            Peace,
            -Mike
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              Re: The triad of advantages

              Thu, March 15, 2007 - 3:01 PM
              Whoops, typo: the gangster goes out with the star, not the daughter, but daughter and gangster really take to each other. Puzo uses it to illustrate the way gangster has refused to empathise, cut himself off from human feelings, detached homself as a choice rather than voluntarily, as in the case of the daguther.
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                Re: The triad of advantages

                Sun, March 18, 2007 - 3:49 PM
                Oh, and the title of the story is The Last Don. A film was made of the book too, but unlike the book, I got bored with the film. I thought the tantrums of the autistic daughter were pretty well hammed up.

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